# Episode 136
In Episode #136 Ari spends time speaking with [Drew Birnie](https://twitter.com/drewbirnie), Content Manager for Mark Manson. During their conversation, Drew and Ari cover what’s wrong in the science-media relationship and why a data-driven approach to self-improvement is the best way to bring about measurable results.
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**Time Stamped Show Notes:**
– 16:24 – Introduction of Drew Bernie, Content Manager of [Mark Manson](http://markmanson.net/)
– 16:40 – What Drew’s role is and what MarkManson.net is all about
– 16:55 – A data-driven approach to the human condition, slanted towards self-development
– 18:45 – Evaluating good science from bad science is no easy task
– 19:15 – It starts with looking at Research Methods
– 20:15 – In the social sciences, a lot of creativity is required to build a solid control group
– 22:00 – It’s really hard to trick someone into thinking they’re getting neuro-feedback when they’re actually not
– 24:00 – Sometimes it’s not even about having a good control group—it’s about not having a _terrible_ one
– 26:20 – Defining why double-blind research is best—unconscious bias
– 28:10 – How are there so many poorly conducted studies and why does the media give them so much attention?
– 28:38 – There’s a lot of pressure in Academia to publish and publish high-profile studies
– 29:09 – People look to science for some modicum of certainty and, quite frankly, it can’t always provide that—science isn’t _always _black and white
– 31:00 – How Drew keeps his biases _out _of his work
– 31:05 – Awareness
– 31:24 – Refusing to be “certain” about anything
– 33:26 – Drew designed his own studies at the University of Nebraska and Iowa
– 34:05 – Drew has a particular affinity for articles on Nootropics and addiction
– 35:20 – [Carol Dweck](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carol_Dweck) and [Robert Cialdini](http://www.influenceatwork.com/) are two of Drew’s favorite researchers in the —
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